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  What triggered your doubts / awakening?

  by Tornintwo in

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  i am sort of new here, used a different username for a while but things got 'difficult' at home so i've since been lurking.... what i would be really interested to know, if you don't mind sharing, is what it was that triggered your doubts and initial research which led to awakening, was it a bad experience, injustice, changed doctrine?

  for me, it was seeing mistreatment of young ones in the congregation, they're under so much pressure and as soon as they go even slightly astray they are shunned, either informally (as bad associations which pushes them further into the 'world') or formally - with elders dying to throw the book at them so they even lose their family.... ...then reading about child abuse issues in the press.... ...which led me to silentlambs.

  ...then jw facts, this forum and coc, wham!

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  Looked on wikipedia on Governing body members, as i couldnt find an exhaustive list in WT publications.

  Read the section on Ray Franz. Was surprised i had never heard of him.

  That was the start of my quest down the rabbit hole.
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  JWs and their views on Sex

  by campaign of hate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past i have read on this forum that the wt have a say in the "bedroom" of couples.

  i thought that was a bit overkill at first, but recently i have come to conclusion that this is true.. the control administered by the wt cooperation on ones sex life is not on only intrusive, its damaging.

  they control every aspect of ones thought and action, thus leading most down a path that said corporation wants them to tread.. this path is to get married young, and then eternal loyalty the the organisation.. so how can an organisation force you to get married young?.

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  I agree, marriages do and can succeed when both parties wait until their wedding night.

  Prayer before sex?...you f**king kidding me?? Thats F**ked up.
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  JWs and their views on Sex

  by campaign of hate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past i have read on this forum that the wt have a say in the "bedroom" of couples.

  i thought that was a bit overkill at first, but recently i have come to conclusion that this is true.. the control administered by the wt cooperation on ones sex life is not on only intrusive, its damaging.

  they control every aspect of ones thought and action, thus leading most down a path that said corporation wants them to tread.. this path is to get married young, and then eternal loyalty the the organisation.. so how can an organisation force you to get married young?.

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  campaign of hate

  In the past i have read on this forum that the WT have a say in the "bedroom" of couples. I thought that was a bit overkill at first, but recently i have come to conclusion that this is true.

  The control administered by the WT cooperation on ones sex life is not on only intrusive, its damaging. They control every aspect of ones thought and action, thus leading most down a path that said corporation wants them to tread.

  This path is to get married young, and then eternal loyalty the the organisation.

  So how can an organisation force you to get married young?

  By restricting masturbation, porn, displays of affection whilst dating, forces young JWs into a corner where the only way to relieve any sexual tension is to get married. Everyone lives happily ever after right? WRONG!

  After you married there are yet more restrictions to apply. No oral sex, No Anal sex, and the thought of having a regular daily sex life is discouraged, albeit in loaded language from the WT society. Sex within a marriage is usually pushed down to the bottom of the pile importance to have a successful happy marriage, forgetting (or not forgetting) that this is why youths got married in the first place.

  Then theirs the problem of finding the wrong lifelong sexual partner, and if your getting married at 18-20, this is a high probability. Which then can lead to whole other range of problems. Infidelity, unwanted children (although they keep them anyway) and sometimes an unhealthy addiction to Porn. Which if they used hand in hand with masturbation they could have had a fighting chance to avoid the mess that is, youth marriage.

  Your damned if you do, and your damned if you don't. Its a web of epic proportions, which on both angles can leave you with feelings of guilt, depression and in some cases suicidal thoughts.
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  WT cash flow speculation

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so it was reported that the wt made $60,000,000 in canada last year (?).

  working on the assumption that this figure is from not only donations, but from property revenues and other ventures from the branch, we get a figure of $528 per publisher, per year.

  the calculation: 60,000,000 / 113,617 (2014 av pubs) = $528 a year per publisher.

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  campaign of hate

  I did say it was a conservative estimate.

  I didn't include bethel facilities and assembly halls.

  That would rack up the numbers.
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  WT cash flow speculation

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so it was reported that the wt made $60,000,000 in canada last year (?).

  working on the assumption that this figure is from not only donations, but from property revenues and other ventures from the branch, we get a figure of $528 per publisher, per year.

  the calculation: 60,000,000 / 113,617 (2014 av pubs) = $528 a year per publisher.

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  campaign of hate

  So it was reported that the WT made $60,000,000 in Canada last year (?)

  Working on the assumption that this figure is from not only donations, but from property revenues and other ventures from the branch, we get a figure of $528 per publisher, per year. The calculation: 60,000,000 / 113,617 (2014 av pubs) = $528 a year per publisher. OR $44 per publisher, per month.

  The ACTUAL donated amount per publisher is probably much lower, but as i said, this takes into account all other ventures by the WT in Canada. Property sales etc.

  Logic would dictate, that because they are using the same business model (or near enough) in all western countries, you can use the same formula to work out how much revenue they receive in the U.S. I would guess you could use $528 as a benchmark figure of per publisher revenue in western countries, to work out how much that country theoretically will produce.

  For U.S. $528 x 1,186,598 (2014 av pubs) = $626,523,744.

  Is this got any credibility, or am i merely over speculating?

  Also, there is 13,871 congs in U.S. If you were to divide that figure by 6 (amount of congs per hall) you get 2,311 kingdom halls. if they sell all halls for $100,000, they have $231,100,000 in property assets. and that is a conservative estimate....Just in the U.S....
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  These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

  to funny nice job....

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  This behaviour is disgusting and counter productive, not to mention extremely juvenile.

  You got to ask yourself, how would I have felt being average joe publisher sitting in that meeting? In your mind, anything could have happened. A bomb. A gun. Any other physical abuse. It's probably the same feelings of agitation when your out in public and someone starts acting like a prick, and your not sure what is going to happen next.

  How where the jws to know it wasn't going to seriously kick off? With this in mind, I wouldn't have been surprised if these dick heads were wrestled to the ground and reprimanded until the police turned up. You know, disturbing the peace and all that.

  I hate seeing that behaviour anywhere in society. If you want to protest, do it peacefully outside.

  There is no room for this In 2015.
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses Happy?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know of the local congregation's issues, per an elder i know quite well.

  he has said that nearly everyone in the congregation is suffering emotionally and mentally.

  he said he has never seen so many witnesses with so many problems.

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  I think there is a large proportion of depressed and miserable jws.

  Saying that, I have also met a shed load of happy jws. ...Deluded, but happy non the less.

  You can't paint 8 million people with the same brush.

  Just saying. ...
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  The art of being "Self referential" JW style....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have you noticed how everything from the gb or witnesses in general is "self referential"?.

  by this i mean that they adopt the method of using their own quotes, facts, statistics, teachings, events etc....to "prove" the new points made!.

  so for example, a teaching point or doctrinal reference is brought out, and in order to "prove" it, the gb will use their own self referential past points to back it up!.

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  campaign of hate

  Yeah, it always confuses me when they quote themselves to back up a point.

  It's like saying. "This book was written 200 years ago. We can see evidence of this from the W89 2/15 article which says about this very same book. "It was indeed written 200 years ago". So we can clearly see, without a doubt, this book was written 200 years ago".

  Quite funny actually.
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  Do JWs suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is what what it says on the tin.

  do jws suffer/are suffering, from stockholm syndrome?.

  getting abused (mentally) and then seem to form a relationship with the captives (wtbts).. there is also a condition called oslo syndrome, but haven't read up much about it.. personally, i think i might be suffering from the former.. would love to get a few opinions.....

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  campaign of hate

  This topic is what what it says on the tin. Do JWs suffer/are suffering, from Stockholm syndrome?

  Getting abused (mentally) and then seem to form a relationship with the captives (WTBTS).

  There is also a condition called Oslo syndrome, but haven't read up much about it.

  Personally, i think i might be suffering from the former.

  Would love to get a few opinions....
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  rumor out that governing body is going to adjust the loveing disfellowshiping arangment df yes shunning no.

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone confirm they seem to be having disagreement writing dept and service dept some feel that df ok as long as you do not add wholesale across the board shunning regardless of the sin ..

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  campaign of hate

  If true, it could easily swing either way.

  Drop the shunning, become more liberal, membership skyrockets = The real money starts to come in.

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  Drop the shunning = Still stagnant growth, but more leave as they have nothing to be afraid of.

  We all know the GB are pretty money obsessed, and if they really are being controlled by lawyers and accountants, dropping the shunning could be a brilliant strategic business move.

  But.....I personally can't see it happening.